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Feb 6, 2007 22:59:26 GMT -8
Post by jmcmatt on Feb 6, 2007 22:59:26 GMT -8
Just out of curiosity, how many people in history, other than Jesus, do you think actually made it for any decent amount of time without sinning?
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Feb 6, 2007 23:13:01 GMT -8
Post by Jacinth Visor on Feb 6, 2007 23:13:01 GMT -8
I don't know But personaly, it's been getting easier for me to fight off temptation If you give into temptation, that's when you sin. "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. " James 1:14,15 "No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it." 1 Cor 10:13 I think.. if God gives us a way of escape from temptation that means that we don't have to give into it- because we have a way out. That means no sinning will happen on our part if we overcome temptation Because there's first temptation and then sin. If we stop at the temptation, then sin has never happened.
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Sin
Feb 6, 2007 23:24:15 GMT -8
Post by Jango Reiss on Feb 6, 2007 23:24:15 GMT -8
Just out of curiosity, how many people in history, other than Jesus, do you think actually made it for any decent amount of time without sinning? Pee Wee Herman?
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Sin
Feb 6, 2007 23:25:47 GMT -8
Post by jmcmatt on Feb 6, 2007 23:25:47 GMT -8
No, he beat up a trucker, so they say
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Sin
Feb 7, 2007 0:43:31 GMT -8
Post by Soleia Reiss on Feb 7, 2007 0:43:31 GMT -8
Nope, simple as that. None righteous and all that jazz. Prove that wrong, then tell me every single verse in the Bible is truth, and we'll talk. Or, rather, we would if I didn't think you were crazy. >_> I suppose that's a little written in stone. And not my only point, but my opinion is still the same. Also, to go to the exact definition of English and the Bible, I don't think we can. Actually, forget that. If we can be perfect, why do we need God? Not to sound blasphemous (although, in my opinion, if anyone does, it's you), but if we can be perfect, couldn't we get to heaven without God? And if not, why? "No man can come to the Father but by me." Ever think there's a reason for that? TFE, TFE, TFE... I just spent a whole post explaining how it is through God that we attain perfection. I do believe everything in the bible is truth, and that it's wrong to accept parts and discard others; it all fits together. I'm willing to look at any verses you share if you will do the same with the ones I give. You say I'm crazy, but people thought the same thing about Jesus, so I'll take that as a compliment. Romans 3 is speaking of the world prior to salvation through Jesus Christ when it says "there is none righteous". It goes on to say "there is none that seeketh after God", that can't be talking about Christians because the Christian does seek after God, yes? It goes on to state that "now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe..." Apart from Christ there is none righteous, but through Him all who believe are made righteous. And now, what of Jesus' command to "go and sin no more" and to "be perfect" and to overcome?
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Sin
Feb 7, 2007 0:51:12 GMT -8
Post by Soleia Reiss on Feb 7, 2007 0:51:12 GMT -8
Just out of curiosity, how many people in history, other than Jesus, do you think actually made it for any decent amount of time without sinning? I'd say Paul, I don't think he would've been able to preach so strongly against sin if he himself wasn't sinless; Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, if sin was in their hearts the holy spirit wouldn't of been able to inspire them to write those books. Likely also James, Joel, Peter, Galations- oh wait that's not a guy. <_< Also, I know of some preachers who wrote books about overcoming sin, so likely they were able to overcome it themselves. And as for people of today, I could hook you up with some e-mail addresses if you're interested in meeting a few who have gone "a decent ammount of time" without sinning. I live what I preach, Ulan, my own life is proof that we can overcome sin as I have gone some time without sinning (I'm not saying that to brag at all, but to glorify the power of Christ, for it is with him that ALL thigns are possible, including the overcoming of sin) and I hope to never sin again, for when I choose to disobey God's commandments, I choose to hate Him. Jesus said "If ye love me keep my commandments." (Jn. 14:15), to sin is to break those commandments (1 Jn. 3:4).
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Feb 7, 2007 10:11:23 GMT -8
Post by Jacinth Visor on Feb 7, 2007 10:11:23 GMT -8
amen
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Feb 7, 2007 18:39:27 GMT -8
Post by TFE on Feb 7, 2007 18:39:27 GMT -8
Oh, yeah, Paul was sinless; why didn't Ulan think of a murderer as being sinless? Silly Ulan. It's funny, that Paul was so humble and sinless, that he called himself the worst of sinners. I'm curious, how much time would you say you've gone without being sinless, and how long are you talking about that we can go with being sinless? I think the telescope should be arriving soon, so I can see where you're coming from up there. And, on a related note, I'd have given David (the Man after God's own heart) or Paul a better chance of going forever without sinning that I do you, but they did sin.
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Feb 7, 2007 19:08:38 GMT -8
Post by Colleen MqCray on Feb 7, 2007 19:08:38 GMT -8
this seems like it's getting into personal jibes now...
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Sin
Feb 7, 2007 19:12:41 GMT -8
Post by TFE on Feb 7, 2007 19:12:41 GMT -8
I have reasons to debate this debate like that in this debate, which is all I can say about that.
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Feb 7, 2007 19:18:50 GMT -8
Post by Colleen MqCray on Feb 7, 2007 19:18:50 GMT -8
Oh, yeah, Paul was sinless; why didn't Ulan think of a murderer as being sinless? Silly Ulan. It's funny, that Paul was so humble and sinless, that he called himself the worst of sinners. Paul was a sinner before he was saved. And I believe when he called himself the worst of sinners, he was referring to that time before, though I'm not sure on that.
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Sin
Feb 7, 2007 19:23:00 GMT -8
Post by TFE on Feb 7, 2007 19:23:00 GMT -8
He says it in present tense, in 1 Timothy.
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Feb 7, 2007 19:26:14 GMT -8
Post by Colleen MqCray on Feb 7, 2007 19:26:14 GMT -8
He says it in present tense, in 1 Timothy. true enough. but still, he didn't murder after he became saved, so your calling him a murderer as a point that someone cannot go w/o sin once they are saved is flawed.
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Sin
Feb 7, 2007 19:31:15 GMT -8
Post by TFE on Feb 7, 2007 19:31:15 GMT -8
That wasn't my point.
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Feb 7, 2007 19:33:25 GMT -8
Post by Colleen MqCray on Feb 7, 2007 19:33:25 GMT -8
*Looks at the subject line of the thread and the posts that came before his.* Funny, it looked like that to me, forgive my misunderstanding and please enlighten me as to your meaning.
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