Dac Bailu
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Post by Dac Bailu on Jan 13, 2008 11:50:43 GMT -8
The abortion one I can understand. Abortion is an act against the Bible and is murder. You would get on him for letting a rapist go, but you would get on him for not murdering a baby? Have you actually seen an abortion? Doesn't matter; apparently the separation of church and state means nothing to either of you. And no, I can't say I've ever "seen an abortion," but I don't need to to know what one is, and that it was her right to have one. This wasn't a planned pregnancy, it wasn't even an accidental pregnancy, it was forced. Not to mention she was mentally retarded, and unable to care for her child properly. And I wasn't arguing evolution, I was arguing the fact that he's against it, despite being totally ignorant of it.
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Post by Mel Ardran on Jan 13, 2008 15:02:47 GMT -8
The abortion one I can understand. Abortion is an act against the Bible and is murder. You would get on him for letting a rapist go, but you would get on him for not murdering a baby? Have you actually seen an abortion? Doesn't matter; apparently the separation of church and state means nothing to either of you. Separation of church and state is not supported by the Bible. In the Bible we see the perfect picture of government with David. He followed God and was King. In Chapter 20 of Revelations we get a picture of God's plan for the 1,000-year reign government. It's not "separated". In the Bible the church dealt with spiritual issues and the government dealt with political and judgmental issues (such as Capital Punishment). They worked in perfect unison. Separation of church and state is an atheistic approach to take God out of the government.
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Post by jmcmatt on Jan 13, 2008 15:17:47 GMT -8
Doesn't matter; apparently the separation of church and state means nothing to either of you. Separation of church and state is not supported by the Bible. In the Bible we see the perfect picture of government with David. He followed God and was King. In Chapter 20 of Revelations we get a picture of God's plan for the 1,000-year reign government. It's not "separated". In the Bible the church dealt with spiritual issues and the government dealt with political and judgmental issues (such as Capital Punishment). They worked in perfect unison. Separation of church and state is an atheistic approach to take God out of the government. That would be a very persuasive argument if we lived in the Bible. We live in America, where the law garuntees a seperation of Church and State. It isn't an atheistic approach to take God out of the government, it's a governmental approach to take God out of the government. As much as it bothers you, this country is not a Christian country anymore. The law shouldn't be defined by the religious beliefs of a few, it should be defined by the equal and fair treatment of the citizens.
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Post by Laryn En'faal on Jan 13, 2008 18:21:50 GMT -8
Mel, as a moderator, I'm going to post this one last time in huge bold colorful letters that you can not possibly miss...
IF YOU WISH TO START A RELIGIOUS DEBATE ABOUT A SUBJECT, CREATE A RELIGIOUS DEBATE THREAD FOR IT. PROVIDE A LINK TO THE POST THAT INSPIRED IT, BUT PLEASE START A NEW THREAD AND DO NOT DRAG THE ORIGINAL ONE OFF TOPIC.
You have the ability to start new topics for a reason. Use it.
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Post by Laryn En'faal on Jan 13, 2008 18:22:58 GMT -8
As for the original subject, I haven't really decided yet. Except for the fact that if Hillary wins, the world is pretty much doomed.
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Post by jmcmatt on Jan 13, 2008 18:37:06 GMT -8
Geez, Mel made me so mad that I broke my own Back on Topic.
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Post by TFE on Jan 13, 2008 21:12:39 GMT -8
Separation of church and state is not supported by the Bible. Ah. Everything has become clear.
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Post by Mel Ardran on Jan 29, 2008 18:50:47 GMT -8
Barrack Obama was raised a Muslim and he won't even say the Pledge of Alliegance. I don't care what people say, that should be a requirement for Presidency! Huckabee may be loosing money, but he has stated he's in it for the long run and if I could vote, I'd vote for him... McCain is a pretty good man. He's weak on immigration, but so is Huckabee... Romney is a no-vote for me. He's a Mormon and that's a clear no-vote. Guliani needs to drop out and I think he will before at least by Super-Tuesday.... Ron Paul needs to just drop out...
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Post by jmcmatt on Jan 29, 2008 19:08:51 GMT -8
If I voted based on religion, I'd probably vote for Huckabee. Since I don't believe politics and religion work together, and since I don't really have a religion anyway, I'm still voting for Obama.
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Post by Mel Ardran on Jan 30, 2008 8:24:45 GMT -8
Religion may not be a huge issue in politics (in your mind), but alliegance to America is... and this has nothing to do with religion
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Post by jmcmatt on Jan 30, 2008 10:43:32 GMT -8
Religion may not be a huge issue in politics (in your mind), but alliegance to America is... and this has nothing to do with religion Romney is a no-vote for me. He's a Mormon and that's a clear no-vote. That sounded like it had something to do with religion. I haven't said the pledge in years, mainly because it wasn't a huge deal at my old school. If I were to go to a school where it was a big deal, I still wouldn't say it. If I don't agree with a line of it, I wouldn't say it. Either way, why is an old poem a meter of patriotism?
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Post by Jango Reiss on Jan 30, 2008 22:42:06 GMT -8
Religion may not be a huge issue in politics (in your mind), but alliegance to America is... and this has nothing to do with religion Romney is a no-vote for me. He's a Mormon and that's a clear no-vote. That sounded like it had something to do with religion. I haven't said the pledge in years, mainly because it wasn't a huge deal at my old school. If I were to go to a school where it was a big deal, I still wouldn't say it. If I don't agree with a line of it, I wouldn't say it. Either way, why is an old poem a meter of patriotism? I can't even remember the whole thing even if I were to have to say it.
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Post by jmcmatt on Jan 31, 2008 8:07:52 GMT -8
That sounded like it had something to do with religion. I haven't said the pledge in years, mainly because it wasn't a huge deal at my old school. If I were to go to a school where it was a big deal, I still wouldn't say it. If I don't agree with a line of it, I wouldn't say it. Either way, why is an old poem a meter of patriotism? I can't even remember the whole thing even if I were to have to say it. You're a horrible American.
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Post by Jango Reiss on Jan 31, 2008 21:13:40 GMT -8
I can't even remember the whole thing even if I were to have to say it. You're a horrible American. Dude, I was homeschooled. I'm never anywhere where I have to say it, plus you know how my memory is. It sucks.
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Post by Soleia Reiss on Mar 31, 2008 15:19:38 GMT -8
Obama has plenty of experience. If he wins the Democratic nomination, I'll vote for him. I vote for the person based on who I think will do a good job. I don't not vote for someone because I disagree with their religion or other life choices, unless it's something huge. Anyways, either let's move this to the Presidential thread, or get back on topic and forget this. But when that person could be our president, their religion and life choices are going to influence the entire nation- if you don't agree with who they are, you're not going to agree what they want our nation to be. Who they are is a mini version of who they want America to be. Somebody can know all there is to know about politics, war, etc. and still know nothing about the things in life that really matter. I would rather have a president with a good heart than one with a big head.
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