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Oct 20, 2007 11:20:25 GMT -8
Post by darthdodo on Oct 20, 2007 11:20:25 GMT -8
I do believe it is also wrong to be friends with homosexuals . . . Having any kind of friendship with someone who you know is living a sinful lifestyle, is wrong. If we walk in the light how can we have fellowship with those who dwell in darkness without walking out into the darkness ourselves? Just because I have a couple of gay friends doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to sprout rainbow wings and join the gay parade. If being friends with someone with different beliefs that doesn't live up to your expectations means I'm wrong in your eyes, I think I'll still sleep well tonight. Well, you know, as well as I ever do. If something is found to be blatantly wrong and sinful in the eyes of the Lord, if you become friends with them, then it's as if you're accepting what their doing. It's like saying "it's ok... I accept you enough to be my friend..." on the other hand, if you just talk with them trying to show them the errors of their ways, then that's something different. Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age. He said to convert and baptize the world in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.Not making friends with them, accepting what their doing... I partly agree with Sol and partly with Justin. No, we shouldn't make friends with them. But at the same time, like Justin said, being around them is how we talk to them about Christ... but we shouldn't make them considered our "friends". Now, of course, you actually have to talk to them about Christ... not just pretend to Christians are here to be a light to the world. That's why we condemn sinners of their sin and tell them their wrong and then give evidence in scripture. We're not here to tell them it's ok, just add Jesus to your life. No, we're here to tell them it's wrong, repent! Leave it! Don't go back to sin. Stay away from it! This is one of the key problems with the church-world today. They don't do this. They just ask to add Jesus to their sinful life. Doesn't work that way. There must be a complete turn around.
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Oct 20, 2007 11:26:20 GMT -8
Post by darthdodo on Oct 20, 2007 11:26:20 GMT -8
That is the kind of arrogant attitude I despise, thinking that we're above unsaved sinners and should leave them be just because we're saved. Jesus didn't hang out with "righteous" people, he hung out with sinners, because they're the ones who need an example to follow, and to be saved. You misunderstand me, my heart's intention is not to be arrogant. The bible says that evil communications corrupt good manners (1 Cor. 15:33). I believe there's nothing wrong with spending time with sinners if it's to reach out to them, that was Christ's purpose in spending time with them, to minister to them and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying that it's scripturally wrong to regularly fellowship with these people, because the sort of people we hang out with will effect the way we act, the bible teaches it and I've seen it happen. I'm not saying if we hang out with homosexuals we'll become homosexuals ourselves, but it will vex us. The bible says that Lot was vexed continually when he lived in Sodom. It's not about me being better than them, it's about living a life that is pleasing to God. I'm nothing without Him. amen
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Oct 20, 2007 18:18:29 GMT -8
Post by Kalo Visor on Oct 20, 2007 18:18:29 GMT -8
Biblically it's wrong.
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Oct 20, 2007 21:24:53 GMT -8
Post by jmcmatt on Oct 20, 2007 21:24:53 GMT -8
Ok, I've read your arguments, and I'm still going to stay friends with them.
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Oct 21, 2007 14:05:51 GMT -8
Post by darthdodo on Oct 21, 2007 14:05:51 GMT -8
2 Thessalonians 3:13-15
2Th 3:13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. 2Th 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 2Th 3:15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
Keep doing well, and do not stop doing well.
If any man disagrees with the teachings of the Bible do then note him and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed... that's quite clear wording. But there's still a fine line between friends and acquaintances and that's made mentioned of in the next verse. Do not count him as an enemy (in terms of, do not hate him)... have compassion on him and admonish him as a brother. Admonish means "reprove" or "correct". So basically correct him as if you would a brother in Christ that has done wrong.
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Oct 21, 2007 14:50:39 GMT -8
Post by jmcmatt on Oct 21, 2007 14:50:39 GMT -8
That's spectacular, but you might as well give up because you're not going to change my mind no matter what you say.
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Oct 21, 2007 15:01:40 GMT -8
Post by Nathan Jey'Daan on Oct 21, 2007 15:01:40 GMT -8
Ulan pretty much voiced my line for me.
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Oct 21, 2007 15:16:04 GMT -8
Post by darthdodo on Oct 21, 2007 15:16:04 GMT -8
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
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Oct 21, 2007 17:34:40 GMT -8
Post by Nathan Jey'Daan on Oct 21, 2007 17:34:40 GMT -8
Seriously, stop. You're just getting annoying now
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Oct 21, 2007 19:03:40 GMT -8
Post by TFE on Oct 21, 2007 19:03:40 GMT -8
1 Corinthians 5: 9- I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10- I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.
Now, this states that it is more or less fine to associate with sinners. Not as in "hang around to admonish them." Obviously, we should admonish them (or whatever), but it's not a requirement to associate with them. Yup.
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Oct 21, 2007 19:57:44 GMT -8
Post by Jango Reiss on Oct 21, 2007 19:57:44 GMT -8
1 Corinthians 5: 9- I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10- I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. Now, this states that it is more or less fine to associate with sinners. Not as in "hang around to admonish them." Obviously, we should admonish them (or whatever), but it's not a requirement to associate with them. Yup. This wins the thread.
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Oct 21, 2007 20:10:20 GMT -8
Post by Nathan Jey'Daan on Oct 21, 2007 20:10:20 GMT -8
1 Corinthians 5: 9- I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10- I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. Now, this states that it is more or less fine to associate with sinners. Not as in "hang around to admonish them." Obviously, we should admonish them (or whatever), but it's not a requirement to associate with them. Yup. This wins the thread. And teh intarwebz!
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Oct 21, 2007 21:41:22 GMT -8
Post by jmcmatt on Oct 21, 2007 21:41:22 GMT -8
Wow, that single sentence managed to be almost as annoying as everything Mel has posted so far.
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Oct 21, 2007 22:27:02 GMT -8
Post by jmcmatt on Oct 21, 2007 22:27:02 GMT -8
The following doesn't really apply in any specific way, but it made me laugh the hardest I've laughed all week.
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Oct 22, 2007 12:46:24 GMT -8
Post by Soleia Reiss on Oct 22, 2007 12:46:24 GMT -8
1 Corinthians 5: 9- I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10- I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. Now, this states that it is more or less fine to associate with sinners. Not as in "hang around to admonish them." Obviously, we should admonish them (or whatever), but it's not a requirement to associate with them. Yup. Hold on a sec, all that's saying is that in order to totally escape sinners we'd have to leave the world. Paul goes on to say that we're not supposed to keep company with ungodly people. The very next verse says "But now I have wirtten unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." We're in the world, but not of it, so we can't escape sin altogether because it's prevailant, but we don't have to partake of the sinful lifestyles of others. Ulan and Nathan, I understand that you say no matter what is said it's not going to change your mind, so...if the bible said "Don't be friends with homosexuals" would you obey it, or would you still believe what you want to believe?
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