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Post by Jango Reiss on Apr 6, 2008 19:35:02 GMT -8
Ok, so we all pretty much know what each other thinks about religion, but this thread is here for whenever another topic goes off topic into religious discussion. If anyone brings it up, quote their post here and your rebuttal. Or feel free to discuss what you want about religion.
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 7, 2008 12:41:12 GMT -8
I've noticed around here that I, for quoting truths out of the Bible, am getting a lot of heat because I'm not being "fair and loving" to religions that wish to wipe me off the face of the earth. I really don't get why people around here will be so defensive of homosexuals, murderers and Muslims but then a Christian they treat like dirt because he's "not being fair and loving". Seems to me you guys need to be "tolerant" of myself and Iggy.  I post "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities." which is a verse from Jude, then I get fired on because I'm not being fair and Christian like to homosexuals. I'm not ready to blow their head off, they need to be saved, but if they refuse to, judgment will HAVE to come. A Christians job is to worship God, try and win souls (no matter WHO they are), then teach them the right way to life internally first, externally second. And quite frankly "Christianity" today is getting TOO much like the world! We have church members who look like prostitutes, perverts and whores. Preacher's son's are getting their gf's pregnant at the age of 15, the church focus' mostly on entertainment than teaching and messages such as "It doesn't matter how you dress unless you wear it with a smile" is placed on church signs! The church is no better than the world! And in some cases it's worse! The church I belong to, long before I came along to it, got heat because of it's moral standards of purity. No kissing before marriage, wear modest clothing, etc. But now the real fruits are beginning to show as the other church's and other Christians in general are getting into fornication, incest, adultery, perversion, and everything under the sun! My message here is to maintain purity in Christians it takes more than just internal. It takes external as well. I'm going to be a bit plain here... if you're letting your breasts show, girls, you may need to recheck your clothing! Internal comes first, and then external. If you don't have the internal the external will do you no good. If you have internal but no external then you're just as bad. It takes a pure heart as well as a pure body! This is something the church is lacking heavily! |
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Post by Jedi Knight Taeris on Apr 7, 2008 16:16:53 GMT -8
. . . Dude All sins are the same to the Christian God. Which to your God, any unnatural sex (Which is any sex that is not for the reproductive purpose), cussing, killing and all that jazz are on the same level. Who are you to determine YOUR interpretation of the bible is the correct one?
As for purity . . . how does marraige sanctify purity?
Now as far as religion goes . . . its horrible. It is just a tool for control, corruption and greed. I have faith, I am agnostic, but I will never claim a religion.
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Post by TFE on Apr 7, 2008 20:30:26 GMT -8
Seems to me you guys need to be "tolerant" of myself and Iggy. I tried, my friend. Would not try again. |
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Post by Jango Reiss on Apr 7, 2008 20:40:14 GMT -8
We're giving you heat because you've been acting opposite of what the Bible says. It says to love your enemies, and you're just bashing them for not believing what you do. You say that they're going to get there's if they don't believe what you do, but you act like you're not even trying to help them.
Yeah, good job, you quoted one verse that backs up your claim. Where are the other verses where God tells you to love your enemies?
Yeah, it's hard to teach them the right way of life when you think they're disgusting and hate them and use Bible verses to back up your claim.
I frankly see nothing wrong with not wearing something fancy to church, because God doesn't care what you're wearing as long as you really love Him. Look at what you said in the below paragraph. Internal comes first, and then external.
I think your church is way too strict with everything. Yeah, I can see a church not wanting people to have sex before marriage, but not kissing and wearing certain clothing, not being able to go to certain movies...that's way too strict for a church. They're just controlling your life.
Also, I burst out laughing at the part about girls and their clothing. In case you didn't know, girls showing their breasts in public will probably get them arrested.
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 8, 2008 12:45:55 GMT -8
Not the ENTIRE breast... Did you not know that the breast is referred to as the round thing on a woman's upper body.
As for the strictness of the church, believe me, kissing is just the start. First they kiss, then before long they'll start touching each other a lot, then they'll start making out and this'll definatly tempt them to the point that if they keep going it tempts them to adultery! Don't you think a girl kissing a boy gets him to lust after them, which the Bible says is wrong outside of marriage.
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Post by Jedi Knight Taeris on Apr 8, 2008 16:00:40 GMT -8
Guys are always lusting after something, and the key in those situations is self control.
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 8, 2008 16:32:27 GMT -8
History has proven to us that there is no self control to control against everything. You sound like you are a humanist.
You are sadly wrong, we can do nothing but by the grace of God. The only reason we can BREATH is because of him. Man tries to do it by himself.
Cigarettes: stop-smoking gum
Beer: Therapy
Porn/lust: "Self control"
I myself have in the past had the problem of lust and believe me when I tell you that no matter WHAT I did I could NOT get free. Leaving the computer didn't work, it'd just come at me. My body would sweat and my mind would go crazy. It's called addiction. Man CAN get rid of one addiction by himself (it will be a HARD road), but believe me when I say that if you do somehow manage to get free you'll just sustitue for something else.
Try getting rid of cigarettes, you'll just pick up drinking. Try stopping that you'll start lusting. Try stopping that and you'll become a huge liar, stop that then you'll be tempted to steal, stop that and you'll become prideful, stop that you'll curse like a sailor. It doesn't end, it keeps on rolling. Once you push the snow ball it just gets bigger. Only God can stop it. I've tried on my own and after 6 years of relentless fighting I've come to realize that only God can save me from lust!
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Post by Jango Reiss on Apr 8, 2008 20:18:52 GMT -8
Try getting rid of cigarettes, you'll just pick up drinking. Try stopping that you'll start lusting. Try stopping that and you'll become a huge liar, stop that then you'll be tempted to steal, stop that and you'll become prideful, stop that you'll curse like a sailor. It doesn't end, it keeps on rolling. Once you push the snow ball it just gets bigger. Only God can stop it. I've tried on my own and after 6 years of relentless fighting I've come to realize that only God can save me from lust! Quite literally, this is the dumbest paragraph that I have ever read in my entire life. I am dumb-founded as to how stupid this actually is. You actually believe that if you stop smoking, that you'll start drinking? And that it keeps continuing? HAHAHAHA! Seriously, people choose to drink or smoke based on their own choice, not because they're not following God. That's the problem with religious extremists like you, you just blame your problems on not loving God enough or not following God and say that, "Oh, if only I was a better Christian, my life would be perfect." The truth is that if you just freakin' tried, your life would be a lot better. |
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 10, 2008 5:29:09 GMT -8
I did not mean in that order but man will NEVER get rid of his problems on his own. He needs his Creator to help him!
I'm about to stop arguing with you Jango, you have hardened you're heart, you hate true Christians who expect other "Christians" to live better than the world; not get pregnant at 14, not murder, not have sex with someone of your own gender, etc. Let me ask you something, do you want to be a true Christian, do you want to be saved? If not please let me know so I can stop bothering you with all this "nonsense".
Myself and Iggy can get in all sorts of trouble around here for merely quoting the Bible when it flat out says (in the NT) "Sodomites will be sent to hell!" and we will be hated. The truth hurts! It's not because we said it, it's because you're not Christian, you hate the truth of the word and it burns you up inside to hear it. It's called conviction, and in Christianity the messenger always gets shot. That's just how it is and I'm asking God to strengthen me against that.
It's pitiful that Christianity has been warped so much that people can live JUST like the world. "It doesn't matter what you wear as long as you wear it with a smile"... so you can just walk in church in a bikini and as long as you wear it with a smile you'll be JUST fine. It's sad! "Christians" today get in fornication, adultery, addictions, and all sorts of things, and then when a true Christian lives separate from the world we are blamed for being a "shove it in your face" person. when truth of the matter is it's not us that is shoving it in your face, it's the Spirit of God convicting you.
All I can say is quote the Bible and say plain out what it SAYS in an almost exact QUOTE and then you believe I'm shoving it in your face. Jango, I may not leave SWC right yet, but I'm at least not going to be talking to you anymore. It just will not work.
May God convict you're heart!
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 10, 2008 5:33:08 GMT -8
. . . Dude All sins are the same to the Christian God. Which to your God, any unnatural sex (Which is any sex that is not for the reproductive purpose), cussing, killing and all that jazz are on the same level. Who are you to determine YOUR interpretation of the bible is the correct one? I believe my interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. Especially when I say "it's wrong to fornicate and commit adultery, have any god's except the true God, hate, be drunk, etc" and I find this: Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. I believe I can base my words on this verse (and several others in the NT) that plain out say if you're addicted to these things you will not be in Heaven.[/quote] |
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Post by Nathan Jey'Daan on Apr 10, 2008 9:53:30 GMT -8
. . . Dude All sins are the same to the Christian God. Which to your God, any unnatural sex (Which is any sex that is not for the reproductive purpose), cussing, killing and all that jazz are on the same level. Who are you to determine YOUR interpretation of the bible is the correct one? I believe my interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. No duh. But believing that you have it right doesn't necessarily mean you do have it right. |
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 10, 2008 13:41:07 GMT -8
Ok, pray tell me what Gal. 5:19-21 means... as well as Jude 7-8
Because using basic English is it simple to interpret that sinners do, in fact, go to Hell. I do try to win sinners, I don't want them to loose their souls to Hell, but I know that in their condition they will, and I'm not going to lie to them just to make them feel better.
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Post by Jedi Knight Taeris on Apr 10, 2008 13:49:57 GMT -8
. . . Dude All sins are the same to the Christian God. Which to your God, any unnatural sex (Which is any sex that is not for the reproductive purpose), cussing, killing and all that jazz are on the same level. Who are you to determine YOUR interpretation of the bible is the correct one? I believe my interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. Especially when I say "it's wrong to fornicate and commit adultery, have any god's except the true God, hate, be drunk, etc" and I find this: Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. I believe I can base my words on this verse (and several others in the NT) that plain out say if you're addicted to these things you will not be in Heaven. [/quote] But god himself is Wrathful . . . |
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Post by Jango Reiss on Apr 10, 2008 20:04:13 GMT -8
I already believe that there's a God and believe in the Bible and all that stuff, I'm just not as crazy for it as you are.
Haha...the truth hurts. I laughed at this whole paragraph because you constantly make yourself out to be God's holy messenger and you're being persecuted because you have it all right. You're being "persecuted" because you're quoting only the verses that make you look right.
Holy crap...do you not understand the obvious? Yes, I think people should be able to wear what they want to church...to a certain degree. No, girls obviously shouldn't wear bikinis to church, that's obvious, but they should be able to wear a t-shirt and shorts if they want to.
Here you are again making yourself out to be a "true" Christian, saying that you're the only right person and everything. This is what makes me not like you, you're so full of yourself, constantly thinking that you're the only one right about the Bible, that you're God's messenger to those you think can be saved. If they can't be saved, you quote some scripture from the Old Testament where God hates on that people and say it's proof that they can't be saved and act all smug about yourself.
Thank God, this can't come soon enough. You leaving this site will be the day I throw a huge party.
Same to you, buddy.
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