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Post by Soleia Reiss on Jul 24, 2007 19:32:25 GMT -8
Do you think I argue about these matters just because I have nothing better to do? I've been in the areas I debate, before. And if I hadn't, I've done great research. I know a lot about the muslim beleivs and practices, I'm not just some dumby who walked in the forum and decides to be prejudice. I just put down what I read... 'Nuff said. Or not. I'm not saying that Muslims are Christian. I never said that Allah is Jesus, or that we share a religion. I'm saying that just because they have different ideas doesn't give you the right to hate them. Jesus didn't hate gentiles, even though they didn't believe the same as Jews. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the core of Christianity was love: loving God, and loving others. You say you don't hate them, you hate their religion. It sounds an awful lot to me like you hate them because of their religion. Mel didn't say he hated them, and I don't think he does, you shouldn't accuse him. I hate all sin and all sinful religions, but out of love I desire to see all of them come to a relationship with Jesus Christ. I think that's how Mel feels. And that's God's point of view too, He hates sin in every form and the only kind of love He has for the world is John 3:16- He gave his son out of love because He desires to have a love relationship with the world, but He despises their wicked deeds and we should too. I'm not saying muslims should stop having kids or that we should pick them out of all world religions as the epitome of sinfulness, they like all sinners simply need Christ. I myself, aside form simply having a desire to have a large family, feel that having a lot of kids is one good way to preserve the Christian religion, in addition to evangelizing. I think Christians should have lots of kids, the bible always speaks positively about it, but if a Christian doesn't want to have lots of kids that's okay, it doesn't make them sinners. As far as the world being over-populated, I think God knew what He was doing when He created mankind and created a world with ample space for a growing population.
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Post by Jacinth Visor on Jul 24, 2007 19:39:43 GMT -8
I say:
Birth control ftl. It's stupid and selfish Abortion is murder, I don't care how much you argue, it is. Muslims and their tons of kids, who cares, muslims can be brought to the truth just as easily as an atheist, mormon, agnostic, satanist etc etc etc can. Overpopulation of the earth, no. People die every day too and when they die eventually they turn into dust. So the only thing to worry about is all the dust we're going to have! Even so, lots of people are cremated so it's not like the world's going to burst from all the dead bodies! It's just ash!
No worries
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Post by Soleia Reiss on Jul 24, 2007 19:42:04 GMT -8
*^5 Jace*
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Post by Jacinth Visor on Jul 24, 2007 19:44:27 GMT -8
even if the world was going to become overly populated, I don't think that's something to worry about. We, as Christians, should have one goal in mind, the spreading and sharing of the Gospel. It's God's will and we shouldn't let the numbers of humans on this earth intimidate us because God will make it work. He gives everyone a chance to turn to Him before they die.
Also, Heaven and Hell are never full, so there you go. Earth's just a stopping place between our journey to where we spend the rest of our lives
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Post by Jacinth Visor on Jul 24, 2007 20:01:08 GMT -8
Note: Sol mentioned that Earth is more like the START of the journey, which I agree, it pretty much is. But the stopping place sounds cooler
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Post by Dac Bailu on Jul 25, 2007 12:55:47 GMT -8
Do you think I argue about these matters just because I have nothing better to do? I've been in the areas I debate, before. And if I hadn't, I've done great research. I know a lot about the muslim beleivs and practices, I'm not just some dumby who walked in the forum and decides to be prejudice. Muslims beleive in Allah to be the god and that the Prophet Muhammed is the last prophet. This is contridictory to the Bible which tells us to worship Jesus Christ and him alone. Allah is not Jesus. Sorry to break it to you. It's not prejudice against the race of Arabs and middle-easterns. It's their religion I hate because it is against the Bible. I'm not saying every muslim wants to fly a plane into a building. But I am saying that their beleifs are contridictory to the Bible. Ok, I read up to this post and had to comment on it. I would have commented on the ones before it, but I felt that Ulan put them down effectively, and that there was no need for my intervention. I personally find it horrible that you'd hate another religion or sect of people because their ideas differ however slightly from your own, especially when it appears that you're not even sure what their ideas are. Muslims, and Hebrews for that matter, don't really see themselves as worshipping a different God than Christians do, they just use a different name (Allah and Yahweh respectively). I'm certain that you'd be surprised by all the things the 3 religions have in common, if you took the time to learn about them.
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Post by Jacinth Visor on Jul 25, 2007 13:19:18 GMT -8
Islam does not differ SLIGHTLY from Christianity.
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Post by Dac Bailu on Jul 25, 2007 13:53:31 GMT -8
Islam does not differ SLIGHTLY from Christianity. In some ways, yes, it does. All 3 religions believe in one supreme deity, creator of the universe and everything in it; same God of Jews and Christians (Allah is not a separate God); all 3 religions depict an evil sort of counter deity who tempts people from God and they all have a concept of sin; they all believe in responsibility for your own actions, accountability in the end; they all believe in a God who is forgiving, a God who will give second chances if one truly repents; all have a prophetic tradition (prophets who translate the word of God and explain him); a Holy text based on Divine Revelation (revealed through prophets); have prominent figures such as Moses, Jesus, Abraham, Gabriel, and Mary that appear throughout their texts; an idea of peace and understanding of fellow humans; they all believe in charity and prayer; they all believe that worshipping deities other than "the one true God" is a sin; they all believe in a form of pilgrimage and fasting; sects exist within all three religions; and they all preach that peace is better than war, although war is not always inevitable. Really the differences are because of certain events that took place when each of these 3 religions were just beginning to take root, not because they have nothing in common.
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Post by Jacinth Visor on Jul 25, 2007 16:39:00 GMT -8
Yeah but the one major difference: They believe in false gods. Christians believe in THE God. The only way. "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
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Post by Dac Bailu on Jul 26, 2007 8:30:21 GMT -8
No, they don't. They believe in your/their God; they're not different. The God that each religion worships is one in the same.
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Post by Jacinth Visor on Jul 26, 2007 9:40:46 GMT -8
No. In the Quaran Allah makes a promise and swears by something in the earth. In the Bible God makes a promise and swears by Himself saying that there was nothing greater to swear by. If they were the same God you'd think they would have the same methods. They are not the same God. There's only one God and Islam does not worship Him if you compared the Bible with the Quaran you'd see this clearly. If we all worshiped the same God we'd all be going by the same guidelines. God wouldn't have His people going by two-three different books. The Quaran is not a divine book just as the book of Mormon is not.
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Post by Dac Bailu on Jul 26, 2007 9:59:22 GMT -8
That's just wording and interpretation; it's not really two different meanings. All 3 religions started in totally different time periods when people thought about things differently, so of course there's going to be some difference in interpretation after that message had been handed down by the prophets. But that's not to say that it's truly different.
Jesus and Muhammad preached to completely different people at completely different times, so interpretation is going to differ.
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Post by Jacinth Visor on Jul 26, 2007 10:44:19 GMT -8
Except Jesus is God. Big difference!
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Post by Soleia Reiss on Jul 26, 2007 15:05:01 GMT -8
Do you think I argue about these matters just because I have nothing better to do? I've been in the areas I debate, before. And if I hadn't, I've done great research. I know a lot about the muslim beleivs and practices, I'm not just some dumby who walked in the forum and decides to be prejudice. Muslims beleive in Allah to be the god and that the Prophet Muhammed is the last prophet. This is contradictory to the Bible which tells us to worship Jesus Christ and him alone. Allah is not Jesus. Sorry to break it to you. It's not prejudice against the race of Arabs and middle-easterns. It's their religion I hate because it is against the Bible. I'm not saying every muslim wants to fly a plane into a building. But I am saying that their beliefs are contradictory to the Bible. Ok, I read up to this post and had to comment on it. I would have commented on the ones before it, but I felt that Ulan put them down effectively, and that there was no need for my intervention. I personally find it horrible that you'd hate another religion or sect of people because their ideas differ however slightly from your own, especially when it appears that you're not even sure what their ideas are. Muslims, and Hebrews for that matter, don't really see themselves as worshipping a different God than Christians do, they just use a different name (Allah and Yahweh respectively). I'm certain that you'd be surprised by all the things the 3 religions have in common, if you took the time to learn about them. This sub-debate is kind of off-topic and we probably should start a new thread for it if it continues; however, I'll go ahead and state my position briefly. Jace already said it, really, John 14:6. Christianity's foundation is Jesus Christ, anything that does not acknowledge Him as the son of God and savior of mankind differs greatly. As for hating other religions... I hate anything that causes harm to my fellow man. I hate drugs, alcohol, cigarettes etc. because they are harmful to people's bodies and can lead to death; I hate false religions/beliefs because they are harmful to people's souls and lead to spiritual death. There is no way to God (or any kind of eternal reward, for that matter) except through the Truth of Jesus Christ. So, while these religions may appear to have the same outer form, they differ at the core, and that is the place that matters most. It's not that MY God is the only way, it's that THE God is the only way. Nobody's got to walk through me to get to God, they only need to walk through Jesus Christ, and that door is open to everyone- "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13.
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Post by darthdodo on Jul 27, 2007 18:06:45 GMT -8
'Nuff said. Or not. I'm not saying that Muslims are Christian. I never said that Allah is Jesus, or that we share a religion. I'm saying that just because they have different ideas doesn't give you the right to hate them. Jesus didn't hate gentiles, even though they didn't believe the same as Jews. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the core of Christianity was love: loving God, and loving others. You say you don't hate them, you hate their religion. It sounds an awful lot to me like you hate them because of their religion. Mel didn't say he hated them, and I don't think he does, you shouldn't accuse him. I hate all sin and all sinful religions, but out of love I desire to see all of them come to a relationship with Jesus Christ. I think that's how Mel feels. And that's God's point of view too, He hates sin in every form and the only kind of love He has for the world is John 3:16- He gave his son out of love because He desires to have a love relationship with the world, but He despises their wicked deeds and we should too. I'm not saying muslims should stop having kids or that we should pick them out of all world religions as the epitome of sinfulness, they like all sinners simply need Christ. I myself, aside form simply having a desire to have a large family, feel that having a lot of kids is one good way to preserve the Christian religion, in addition to evangelizing. I think Christians should have lots of kids, the bible always speaks positively about it, but if a Christian doesn't want to have lots of kids that's okay, it doesn't make them sinners. As far as the world being over-populated, I think God knew what He was doing when He created mankind and created a world with ample space for a growing population. well, of course... not having a bunch of kids definatly doesn't make one a sinner... if that was the case, then watch out barren women, you're about to be wiped off the face of the earth! a little sarcasm there... to brighten the debate...
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