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Sin
Feb 4, 2007 12:50:44 GMT -8
Post by Soleia Reiss on Feb 4, 2007 12:50:44 GMT -8
Is it possible to go a long time without sinning, or to stop sinning altogether for that matter? Or is it impossible for us to overcome sin? Discuss.
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Sin
Feb 4, 2007 16:13:38 GMT -8
Post by Safiya on Feb 4, 2007 16:13:38 GMT -8
Ummmmmm.........I thought we had a poll like this up a long time ago and it was locked and taken down because it sparked a few arguments
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Sin
Feb 4, 2007 16:18:47 GMT -8
Post by Soleia Reiss on Feb 4, 2007 16:18:47 GMT -8
Hmm, I don't think so. We've debated similar things I think, but as far as I recall no one got angry. I don't wish for anyone to get upset, but a little debating doesn't hurt.
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Feb 4, 2007 16:31:24 GMT -8
Post by Safiya on Feb 4, 2007 16:31:24 GMT -8
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Sin
Feb 4, 2007 16:39:59 GMT -8
Post by Jacinth Visor on Feb 4, 2007 16:39:59 GMT -8
Well, that was about sin nature, this is about whether we can over come-sin or are still slaves to it If it gets out of hand it can be locked. I believe we can over-come sin. But I'm too tired to post any verses right now
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Sin
Feb 4, 2007 17:03:22 GMT -8
Post by Soleia Reiss on Feb 4, 2007 17:03:22 GMT -8
Ah, I see. I didn't know about that thread, I see from the dates that I was away on vacation during that time, which must be why I didn't post there. Anyhow, like Jace said, if people start being mean this can be locked.
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Sin
Feb 5, 2007 8:46:41 GMT -8
Post by Jango Reiss on Feb 5, 2007 8:46:41 GMT -8
In my opinion, we can never overcome sin, but we can ask for God's forgiveness for the sin that we do commit, which he will forgive.
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Sin
Feb 5, 2007 13:32:59 GMT -8
Post by jmcmatt on Feb 5, 2007 13:32:59 GMT -8
In my opinion, we can never overcome sin, but we can ask for God's forgiveness for the sin that we do commit, which he will forgive. Werd, yo.
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Sin
Feb 5, 2007 14:45:48 GMT -8
Post by Nathan Jey'Daan on Feb 5, 2007 14:45:48 GMT -8
I agree with Jangerz.
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Sin
Feb 5, 2007 19:07:32 GMT -8
Post by darthdodo on Feb 5, 2007 19:07:32 GMT -8
We sin, we can get saved, and when we do we can stop sinning, but then comes the temptations... it shouldn't be that you fall back into sin, but sometimes people do.
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Sin
Feb 6, 2007 14:38:25 GMT -8
Post by Soleia Reiss on Feb 6, 2007 14:38:25 GMT -8
Biblically, it is possible to stop sinning once we are saved. In fact, that's why Jesus died, to become our Savior from sin. If the only advantage gained us through salvation is the ability to ask forgiveness, what then sets us apart from the lost sinner? Nothing, for even the sinner can ask forgiveness for his sins (and become saved).
Jesus certainly believed it was possible to stop sinning when he told the woman caught in the act of adultery to "go and sin no more" (Jn. 8:11), and again when He commanded "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matt. 5:48. God is not unreasonable that He would demand the impossible of us.
Paul believed it was possible to overcome sin when he wrote "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may aboud? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Rom. 6:1, 2.
Sin should be the rare exception in our life, not an expected every-day part of it. 1 John 1:9 says "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." That verse shows that it is possible for us to sin after salvation, but not that we inevitably will. When we do, it separates us from God, thus the need for asking forgiveness. Yes, temptation will come our way, but does that mean some weak part of us will always (or most of the time) cave in under the weight of that temptation? Not at all, for God promised He will always give us a way out: "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." 1 Cor. 10:13.
To repent is to truly be sorry, to forsake our past habits of sin and leave them at the cross where we came in.
Eight different times in Revlelation Jesus promises rewards to who? To those who overcome. (See Rev. 2:7, 11, 17, 26, 3:5, 12, 21, & 21:7). The promises are not to those who repent and continue in sin, but to those who overcome. We should make every effort to stop sinning, it might not be easy at first, but as we press into God He will give us the strength to resist temptation and avoid sin more and more. We must "shed the old man" and become "a new creature".
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Cor. 5:17
In love, Sol
P.S. Comments are welcome.
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Feb 6, 2007 16:44:21 GMT -8
Post by Jacinth Visor on Feb 6, 2007 16:44:21 GMT -8
That says "if we CONFESS our sins"... not if we sin. I think that's a big difference- even though I'm on your side Amen! I agree. We all mess up, but we can get better. How do you become a "master" at something? How do you get good at something? Practice! ;D You practice for hours on the piano and eventually you get good at it! It takes effort. You have to want to play the piano well, and put effort into practicing it so that you can be better and better until you can play it flawlessly. It takes effort to be sinless. And you have to WANT to be sinless. You practice. God is like your piano teacher- you cannot overcome sin with your own strength. In Christ Jesus we can overcome all obstacles. "I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me" Philippians 4:13 And soon we will be so good at it that we'll be flawless, not sinning at all! I'm sure even concert pianists mess up every now-and-then.. maybe once in a coon's age. But you don't let it bother you, you just correct it and keep going. Just like when you give into temptation you can't sit around moping (I am guilty of doing such) because you've failed. You correct it, repent and then shed that sin, in Jesus' name and strive to do better, through Jesus Christ! "The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in mercy. He will not always strive with us, nor will He keep His anger forever. He has not dealt with us according to our sins, nor punished us according to our iniquities." Psalm 103:8-10 And, as Soleia said, God wouldn't ask/command us to do something that we aren't able to do. I think that's it for now
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Sin
Feb 6, 2007 18:50:41 GMT -8
Post by Soleia Reiss on Feb 6, 2007 18:50:41 GMT -8
You're right, 1John 2:1 is more appropriate. "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
Good point.
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Sin
Feb 6, 2007 20:17:59 GMT -8
Post by TFE on Feb 6, 2007 20:17:59 GMT -8
Nope, simple as that. None righteous and all that jazz. Prove that wrong, then tell me every single verse in the Bible is truth, and we'll talk. Or, rather, we would if I didn't think you were crazy. >_> I suppose that's a little written in stone. And not my only point, but my opinion is still the same. Also, to go to the exact definition of English and the Bible, I don't think we can. Actually, forget that. If we can be perfect, why do we need God? Not to sound blasphemous (although, in my opinion, if anyone does, it's you), but if we can be perfect, couldn't we get to heaven without God? And if not, why? "No man can come to the Father but by me." Ever think there's a reason for that?
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Feb 6, 2007 22:55:17 GMT -8
Post by Jacinth Visor on Feb 6, 2007 22:55:17 GMT -8
That's the point, we can't be perfect on our own, Christ makes us perfect, without Him we can't do anything! We need His help, but it also takes action on our part, just like everything takes action on our part, salvation, repenting, etc... When you are without sin, you are perfect. The moment you sin you are no longer perfect because you have sin in you. You can't be perfect on your own, just as people couldn't stop sinning on their own. But Christ came and freed us from sin. "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?" Romans 6:16 See? Sin is a choice. "But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:22,23 Meh, that's all I have tonight, I'm really not in the debating mood.
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