Debate: Presidential Debate Thread

[jmcmatt]

Now I remember why I stopped arguing with you. I'm out of the debate, and get back on the topic of the election and not Christianity.

[TFE]

melardran said:

True, America was based on equality for all, but Jesus never equaled Christianity with Buddhisms, Hinduism, Islam, etc. He said "I am the truth, the way and the life."

You can only enter heaven by HIM. This Country (for the most part) was founded on Christian principles. Most of the founders were Christian and OPENLY expressed their Christianity. On the way into the Senate is a drawing of Mosses and the Ten Commandments... in several other buildings (in Washington DC) are drawings of Biblical events on the ceiling. On the top of the Washington Monument are the words Laus Deo which means "Praise be to God."

Supposedly, that is written on the monument, as well as credit to those who helped make it, dates, etc.

Washington DC is riddled with praises to the One True God. This nations Christianity is what made it great and that alone did so.

If I can remember correctly, back in that time all other religions WERE allowed to be in America, though you WEREN'T allowed to force anyone else to believe as you do. That was a rule that was to apply to citizens. The Government, however, had to at least acknowledge the Bible and to his/her best to go by the laws in the Bible.

Apply to citizens? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; . . ." [Constitution, Amendment I] is not referring to people. Congress, while human, are not "the people."

Also, I question your "had to acknowledge the Bible," or, at least, I question how you worded it. ". . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." [Constitution, Article VI]

Now we have people trying to take away everything Christian in this nation. If you do that you will literally deface Washington DC!

One last fact. Did you know that it is Washington DC law that NO building is allowed to go higher than that of the Washington Monument. And, as I've said before, the Latin words Laus Deo (Praise be to God) is on the very top of the Monument. What does this symbolize I wonder? Just think about it a while.

Thought about it, attempted to corroborate it, failed at the latter. In terms of immediate thoughts that one comes across, obviously, what you're implying is among them. However, it's hardly compelling. The Washington Monument, with one tribute to God on it, is not meant to be in reverence to God. It's meant to be in "tribute" to Washington. While I can't find evidence that there is a law about what you say (the D.C. website was tragically lacking), I'll suppose there is. What does this height restriction symbolize, I wonder, with this monument to our country? Just think about it a while.

[Jango Reiss]

jmcmatt said:

Now I remember why I stopped arguing with you. I'm out of the debate, and get back on the topic of the election and not Christianity.

Agreed. He turns every freakin' debate into a Sunday school lesson. You can say you're voting for someone because of what they believe, but stop preaching.

Back on topic'd.

[Nathan Jey'Daan]

Mel, don't get the idea that you're invincible just because you can use a proxy.

[Mel Ardran]

tfe said:

melardran said:

The Washington Monument, with one tribute to God on it, is not meant to be in reverence to God.

So why on earth did they do that? And there's no "supposedly" about it. It's there, it's fact and it does say that in Latin. It was placed there in reverence to God, not to just randomly put something there...

There's no way anyone can (with proof) say that the founding fathers (there were exceptions: ex: Thomas Jefferson) weren't Christian and established this country for Christian purposes. It's the atheist "historians" that started re-writing history books to take out anything Christian in them. And sad thing is, now most of all public school history books are filled with ridiculous nonsense about out "atheistic founders". I would like to suggest a history book. It's called "America Land I Love" it's put out by A Beka Publishing. It's Christian based and it has the facts in it. Not a bunch of lies to take God out of America.

Now, Nate, I'm trying my best not to be too personal with my posts and I'm trying to learn to respect people's opinions more. But no matter how much you call me names and mistreat me, I will speak what I know to be the truth. America is a Christian country. The atheists are doing there best to erase that fact.

[Mel Ardran]

jango said:

jmcmatt said:

Now I remember why I stopped arguing with you. I'm out of the debate, and get back on the topic of the election and not Christianity.

Agreed. He turns every freakin' debate into a Sunday school lesson. You can say you're voting for someone because of what they believe, but stop preaching.

Back on topic'd.

What I don't get is how someone can criticize this country and call it not a solely Christian nation (from the beginning of it's conception) thus starting a Christian debate, then I try and defend this country's good name and it's me who has turned it into a Sunday school lesson.

You criticize Christianity, I'm not about to let that pass. Too long Christians have taken Biblical verses about meekness and taken it to mean that we're not suppose to defend Christianity. If the Christians don't defend the faith then who will? God won't defend it if his children don't. Christians have got to take a stand for what is right.

I'm, in no way, saying to do what I have made mistakes of in the past of name-calling and yelling... I'm very sorry for that. I acted like an idiot. But please do not tie my past to my neck and throw me in a pond before I can defend my faith.

Ulan, you can vote for Obama if you wish, please do not think I'm telling you who to vote for. What I have said had nothing to do with politics, it's only about the Christian issues you have brought up.

Now if you guys wish to stop this debate, then I am willing to stop it.

[Mel Ardran]

admin said:

Mel, don't get the idea that you're invincible just because you can use a proxy.

Excuse me?

[jmcmatt]

Back on topic.

[Dac Bailu]

No idea who I'm voting for, because I know too much about the candidates (good and bad), though I will be able to vote this year.

DEFINETLY NOT MIKE HUCKABEE. I've already decided on that, assuming he's chosen as the Republican representative in the election, which is very unlikely.

Reason #1 why I'm not voting for Mike Huckabee: While Governor of Arkansas, he pardoned a man named Wayne DuMond who was imprisoned for raping a woman, stating that Dumond's case "...became a cause celebre among some evangelical Christians in Arkansas after Dumond claimed to have undergone a religious conversion." The parole was granted on the condition that DuMond leave the state. He moved to Smithville, Missouri in 1999 and was later convicted there of sexually assaulting and murdering a woman who lived near his home. He was also a suspect in the murder of a pregnant woman in Platte County, Missouri. He died in prison in 2005, but should have never been released in the first place.

Reason #2 why I'm not voting for Mike Huckabee: He prevented a mentally retarded woman, who was also raped, from getting an abortion, directly going against the decision given in Roe v. Wade which deems abortion a fundamental right under the U.S. Constitution, especially under those conditions.

Reason #3 why I'm not voting for Mike Huckabee: He's a religious crackpot who not only wants creationism taught in schools, but when asked whether he believed in evolution besides saying "I do not necessarily buy into the traditional Darwinian theory, personally.", he responded, in part: "I believe there is a God who was active in the creation process. Now, how did he do it, and when did he do it, and how long did he take? I don’t honestly know, and I don’t think knowing that would make me a better or a worse president ... if anybody wants to believe that they are the descendants of a primate, they are certainly welcome to do it--I don't know how far they will march that back...," showing that he not knows nothing about evolution or the theories of Darwinism (as science says humans ARE primates, not that they descended from them), but is also quick to dismiss them in the defense of his religion.

You can not let your religious beliefs get in the way of your duty as president of a nation, and he obviously would.

And he apparently has a soft spot for rapists, which is just sick.

[Mel Ardran]

There's obviously no reason he should have let that rapist go, I agree with you there... but you're other 2 points are a little weak. The abortion one I can understand. Abortion is an act against the Bible and is murder. You would get on him for letting a rapist go, but you would get on him for not murdering a baby? Have you actually seen an abortion?

Thirdly I can't agree with you on evolution. I am not going to debate with you on that...

unless you absolutely want to

[Laryn En'faal]

dac said:

No idea who I'm voting for, because I know too much about the candidates (good and bad), though I will be able to vote this year.

DEFINETLY NOT MIKE HUCKABEE. I've already decided on that, assuming he's chosen as the Republican representative in the election, which is very unlikely.

Reason #1 why I'm not voting for Mike Huckabee: While Governor of Arkansas, he pardoned a man named Wayne DuMond who was imprisoned for raping a woman, stating that Dumond's case "...became a cause celebre among some evangelical Christians in Arkansas after Dumond claimed to have undergone a religious conversion." The parole was granted on the condition that DuMond leave the state. He moved to Smithville, Missouri in 1999 and was later convicted there of sexually assaulting and murdering a woman who lived near his home. He was also a suspect in the murder of a pregnant woman in Platte County, Missouri. He died in prison in 2005, but should have never been released in the first place.

Reason #2 why I'm not voting for Mike Huckabee: He prevented a mentally retarded woman, who was also raped, from getting an abortion, directly going against the decision given in Roe v. Wade which deems abortion a fundamental right under the U.S. Constitution, especially under those conditions.

Reason #3 why I'm not voting for Mike Huckabee: He's a religious crackpot who not only wants creationism taught in schools, but when asked whether he believed in evolution besides saying "I do not necessarily buy into the traditional Darwinian theory, personally.", he responded, in part: "I believe there is a God who was active in the creation process. Now, how did he do it, and when did he do it, and how long did he take? I don’t honestly know, and I don’t think knowing that would make me a better or a worse president ... if anybody wants to believe that they are the descendants of a primate, they are certainly welcome to do it--I don't know how far they will march that back...," showing that he not knows nothing about evolution or the theories of Darwinism (as science says humans ARE primates, not that they descended from them), but is also quick to dismiss them in the defense of his religion.

You can not let your religious beliefs get in the way of your duty as president of a nation, and he obviously would.

And he apparently has a soft spot for rapists, which is just sick.

To say nothing of how strange "President Huckabee" sounds

[Mel Ardran]

It sounds right hill-billish don't it not?

But what about President Garfield? Eisenhower? Nixon? Bush!

We have shrubbery as President!

[jmcmatt]

"Shrubbery" isn't the first "sh" word that comes to mind when I think about his presidency.

[Safiya]

jmcmatt said:

"Shrubbery" isn't the first "sh" word that comes to mind when I think about his presidency.

XD Good one

[TFE]

jmcmatt said:

"Shrubbery" isn't the first "sh" word that comes to mind when I think about his presidency.

A SHining example of all that is good with humanity?

melardran said:

Lots o' ranting and raving here.

I guess the real 'question' I have is that you make it sound as though no one should be President who is not a Christian.

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