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Post by darthdodo on Apr 11, 2008 13:30:42 GMT -8
I believe my interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. Especially when I say "it's wrong to fornicate and commit adultery, have any god's except the true God, hate, be drunk, etc" and I find this: Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. I believe I can base my words on this verse (and several others in the NT) that plain out say if you're addicted to these things you will not be in Heaven. But god himself is Wrathful . . . [/quote] He's just. He judges sinners because he he must! He gives sinners every chance to come to him but if they won't he can't just pardon their sins and let them into heaven. What does that say to us true Christians who've received commandments from the Lord and actually obey them? What good are the commandments if God lets sinners in anyway? Christianity isn't a perfect life, it has it's struggles, but if you sincerely love God then you can do His commandments (with his strength, of course). Besides, take a sinner and place him in a Holy Ghost filled church and he is miserable because of conviction. I've seen sinners, they grit their teeth and work themselves up into hatred over true Christians... all because they (Christians) try to live the way God commands them to and because of that they (sinners) perceive that as being proud full. If sinners cannot stand being in Church (a small portion of what heaven will be like) then how in the world do you think they'll be able to live with any sense of sanity in heaven! Unless sinners have a heart to do what is right, Christians, church and things of heaven drive them to sanity! A sinner would be miserable in heaven. God sends people to hell because he's a just God and cannot allow corruption into heaven (a place he's reserved for those who've lived a life to please Him).
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 11, 2008 13:37:56 GMT -8
Jango, God knows my heart, I, in no way, want to be prideful and I seek humility (which is one of the fruits of the spirit). I also don't have everything right, I, just like every other Christian, am learning every day. I make mistakes, God knows that's apparent. But I'm not going to change my ways just because it makes others hurt. Act 4:1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them, Act 4:2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead. I do imagine some of the Sadducees, preists and captain of the temple all said some of the same things you are. I imagine they were angry at their "absurd" doctrine. It's all about being a Christian. Some listen, some spite at you. And for the record, if you are a Christian you should be a messenger of God. (Edited my name out)
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Post by TFE on Apr 11, 2008 20:28:58 GMT -8
Assume, if you will, for a moment, that you are wrong. Once you have done this, if you are able, read your posts from a different perspective. I think that if you did this (heck, Jango, too; but, I'll be honest, you a lot more), you'd get along a lot better. Doing this is why I haven't posted a lot of what I've originally intended to post.
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Post by Jedi Knight Taeris on Apr 12, 2008 9:57:24 GMT -8
Sin exist becuase God alllows it . . . according to Christianity God has the power to rid mankind of Satan. If God creates all, he created sin. He created temptation, he created 'good' he created 'evil'.
As for my beliefs, yah I do believe all mankind is born pure, but I also believe once introduced to corruption, most will lean towards our desires becuase its what we want. Whether its God's 'will' or the devil's I dont much care, its what Im going to do becuase I want to. (Although I dont do the things that will get me put in jail becuase I dont want to go there, lol) And right there is an example of self control Mel
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 12, 2008 15:36:35 GMT -8
God created mankind and the world to be perfect with only ONE commandment. Don't eat of the tree! Not too hard. Don't eat a fruit from a tree. Go to an apple tree, is it so hard not to? But SATAN came to Eve and began tempting her and as she thought about that thing. And it's exactly like it is today. People are drawn to what they can't have just because they can't have it. Adam was right there with Eve when she took it. He didn't fulfill his God given responsibility to take care of Eve and be the head of the household and he didn't stop her. Eve grabbed the fruit and then sin entered the world. So God gives mankind a commandment, they break it and what must God do? Forget it? God withdrew personal fellowship with humans because of this and only until NT times can we actually pray to Him. God could stop sin, but he won't because we disobeyed Him. It's only just. That's what's wrong with father's today. They lay down a rule, the child breaks it and the punishment are changed or left off completely because of lack of justness. When you do wrong, no matter what it is, if you do wrong you MUST come to grips with the punishment. In every area of life! That's what's wrong with this government. That's what's wrong with churches today. That's what's wrong with every individual today. They lack justice. Punishment laid down for a crime seems "unfair". Everything has to be equal and fair. Life's not fair, is all I can say.
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Post by Jedi Knight Taeris on Apr 12, 2008 15:39:02 GMT -8
God could have not put the tree there. Who the hell puts a tree like that in fron of people, and tell them NO unless he wants it to be eaten from.
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 12, 2008 15:51:01 GMT -8
To test Adam and Eve to see if they were sincere. But it turns out that just followed the pride of life. The tree could have easily not been eaten from. Let me ask you a question: do you eat leaves off of every tree in your yard? <_< I honestly didn't mean that criticizing I just thought it was funny... no offense to you or anything... By the way, it's against the rules to cuss here... but, of course, those rules were written down back when the admins had morals. Now words that would have gotten someone warned are now "ok"... now half of the original cuss words are still cuss words. Half of them are "ok" to use. Also by the way... there's a difference between the wording used of hell as in the place and hell as in... what the *word*. One is used as a literal sense of the place. The other is just an insert word that's not needed and is considered a cuss word.
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Post by Jedi Knight Taeris on Apr 12, 2008 15:55:52 GMT -8
lol Why test them? and 'sincere'? lmao how sincere can you be when you just randomly exist?
and one, I dont have trees in my yard and two . . . nobody has ever told me not to eat leaves from trees.
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 12, 2008 16:00:50 GMT -8
Quite honestly I don't have the answers. In this case I know why he would test them but right now the words aren't coming out right. I will get back with you however when my headache is gone and I go do more studying. I also believe that having your faith tested (like now, for me) is testing... well.. our faith in God. I've come too far to turn back now. I've seen too much evidence of the work of the Holy Ghost for someone to tell me he isn't there.
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Post by Jedi Knight Taeris on Apr 12, 2008 16:07:27 GMT -8
Read my post in Testimonials, Im not telling you he doesnt exist, Im just saying he doesnt exist in the way you believe him to exist.
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Post by darthdodo on Apr 12, 2008 16:49:34 GMT -8
On a separate note. It's interesting that those of you I've known for a long time and I've debated with NEVER agree with me. The fact that everything I say you guys find fault with leads me to believe that you are only trying to argue. You're not interested in reason, but only arguing.
(I'm not so much speaking about you, Tacgnol, I don't know you well enough.)
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Post by Jedi Knight Taeris on Apr 12, 2008 17:15:31 GMT -8
It may not be theyre trying to argue, just that you are wrong.
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Post by Jango Reiss on Apr 12, 2008 22:12:48 GMT -8
It may not be theyre trying to argue, just that you are wrong. Exactly this. Also, I agree that it was weird that God put the tree there expecting them not to eat from it. If they wouldn't have eaten from it, somebody else would, so we were all screwed from the start.
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Post by Nathan Jey'Daan on Apr 13, 2008 7:59:53 GMT -8
On a separate note. It's interesting that those of you I've known for a long time and I've debated with NEVER agree with me. The fact that everything I say you guys find fault with leads me to believe that you are only trying to argue. You're not interested in reason, but only arguing. (I'm not so much speaking about you, Tacgnol, I don't know you well enough.) ...Why should I suddenly agree now with anything I've always thought you were wrong about?
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Post by Jedi Knight Taeris on Apr 13, 2008 11:57:12 GMT -8
It may not be theyre trying to argue, just that you are wrong. Exactly this. Also, I agree that it was weird that God put the tree there expecting them not to eat from it. If they wouldn't have eaten from it, somebody else would, so we were all screwed from the start. Especially if God knows and plans everything.
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